Friday, December 2, 2016

Early Christianity on: The Persons of God (Full Script)

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Early Christianity on the Persons of God
Post-Apostolic Church

INTRO
This is the third video in a series on what the Pre-Nicene Christians wrote about the Divinity.  We have looked at what the early Christians wrote about the nature of God and how they rejected the doctrine of Monarchianism, that is, the belief in one God in one Person, let’s look at what the Pre-Nicene Christians wrote about the Persons of God.

THE PERSONS OF GOD - PLURALITY
The early Christians made a good point by showing the times when God spoke about Himself in the plural.  Tertullian wrote,

How is it possible for a Being who is merely and absolutely one and singular to speak in plural phrases, saying, "Let us make man in our own image, and after our own likeness"?*  …He is either deceiving or amusing us in speaking in the plural, if he is one only and singular.  Or was it to the angels that He spoke, as the Jews interpret the passage, because they also do not acknowledge the Son...?  No, it was because He had already His Son close at His side.  (Tertullian.  AD 213.  ANF, vol 3, page 606.)
*Gen 1:26.

Hippolytus noticed this in the words of Jesus which appear to be hiding in plain sight, writing,

Again, if he [Noetus] alleges His [Jesus'] own word when He said, "I and the Father are one,"* let him recognize the fact and understand that He did not say, "I and the Father am one”, but “are one."  For the word "are" is not said of one person, but it refers to two Persons, and one Power.  (Hippolytus.  AD 205.  ANF, vol 5, page 226.)
* John 10:30.

Like Hippolytus, Tertullian also commented on John 10:30, writing,

"Two" are still the subject in the masculine gender.  He accordingly says, "unum," [that is Latin for "one,"] a neuter term, which does not imply singularity of number but unity of essence, likeness, conjunction, and affection on the Father's part, who loves the Son, and [there is] the submission of the Son who obeys the Father's will.  (Tertullian.  AD 213.  ANF, vol 3, page 618.)

Novatian also commented on John 10:30,

Let the heretics understand that He did not say "one" person.  For one [is] placed in the neuter, [and it is] close to the social harmony, not the personal unity....  For He would not have added "We are," if He had had it in mind that He, the only and sole Father, had become the Son....  Writing to the Corinthians, [Paul] said, "I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.  Therefore, neither is he that plants anything, nor he that waters, but God who gives the increase.  Now he that plants and he that waters are one."*  And who does not perceive that Apollos is one person and Paul another, and that Apollos and Paul are not one and the same person...?  Apollos indeed is one, and Paul another, so far as respects the distinction of persons, yet as far as respects their agreement both are “one.”  (Novatian.  AD 235.  ANF, vol 5, page 637-638.)
* 1Cor 3:6-8.

THE PERSONS OF GOD - AUTHORITY
Tertullian noticed that the Father and the Son have different positions, that is, they are different in their authority.  Though the Son and the Father are equal in nature—being fully divine--, the Son is under the Father’s authority.  About this, Tertullian wrote,

"When He [the Son] shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father.  For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet...."*  "However, when all things will be subdued to Him, (with the exception of Him who did put all things under Him,) then will the Son also Himself be subject unto Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all...."**  Now, from this one passage of the letter of the inspired apostle, we have been already able to show that the Father and the Son are two separate Persons, not only by the mention of their separate names as Father and the Son, but also by the fact that He who delivered up the kingdom, and He to whom it is delivered up--and in like manner, He who subjected all things, and He to whom they were subjected--must necessarily be different Beings.  (Tertullian.  AD 213.  ANF, vol 3, page 600.)
* 1Cor 15:24-25.
** 1Cor 15:27-28.

The Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, just as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another; He who sends is one, and He who is sent is another; and again, He who makes is one, and He through whom the thing is made is another.  (Tertullian.  AD 213.  ANF, vol 3, page 604.)

Tertullian said that the Father is greater than the Son.  Do the Scriptures teach this?  We will revisit this later.

Tertullian reminds us that though the Son is a different Person, He is not separate from the Divinity.

If He [the Son] is also God, according to John who said, "The Word was God,"* then you have two Beings: One that commands that the thing be made and the Other that creates.  However, in what sense you should understand Him to be another [Person], I have already explained [it to be] on the ground of personality, not of substance.  [They are different] in the way of distinction, not of division.  (Tertullian.  AD 213.  ANF, vol 3, page 607.)
* John 1:1

THE PERSONS OF GOD – FLESH AND BLOOD
Christians know and believe that the Son took on flesh and was born a human.  Could the same be said of the Father?  The early Christians said, “No!”  Tertullian wrote how the Son was a different Person while also remaining in the Divinity.

That which has come forth out of God [the Father] is at once God [deity] and the Son of God, and the two [Father and Son] are one....  He [the Son] is made a second in manner of existence--in position, not in nature.  And He did not withdraw from the original source, but went forth [from the Father].  (Tertullian.  AD 197.  ANF, vol 3, page 34.)

We will revisit this difference between the Son becoming flesh and the Father not becoming flesh.

SCRIPTURES: ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS
Now that we have looked at what the early Christians believed, let's look at the Scriptures to see if what they believed was true.  The Scriptures have a lot to say about the Persons of God.

SCRIPTURES: PLURALITY
Tertullian and Hippolytus pointed out how God sometimes referred to Himself in the plural.  What do the Scriptures say about the Divinity being plural?  From the first and third chapters of the Bible, it reads,

God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness...."  The Lord God said, "Since man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil, he must not reach out, take the from the tree of life, eat, and live forever."  (Gen 1:26, 3:22)

It is no accident that from creation, God shows us that there is more than one Person in the Divinity present.  And this is not the only place in Genesis.  When the tower of Babel was being built,

The Lord said, "If they have begun to do this as one people all having the same language, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.  Come, let Us go down there and confuse their language."  (Gen 11:7)

Tertullian quoted John 10:30 and said that the Father and the Son being one is not numerical but a statement of unity.  This is also echoed seven chapters later where Jesus referred to Himself and the Father in the plural.  Praying to His Father, Jesus said,

May they all be one, as you, Father, are in Me and I am in You.  May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me.  (John 17:21)

The following verse was an important one to the early Christians about the Persons of God.

Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.  (Matt 28:19)

In this verse, we see both the unity and oneness of God while also seeing the three Persons of God.  We see each of the names of the three Persons.  At the same time, we see one, singular “name” of God.  Jesus did not say, “names.”  Tertullian added,

[Jesus] commands them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, not into a uni-personal God.  (Tertullian.  AD 213.  ANF, vol 3, page 623.)

SCRIPTURES: AUTHORITY
Earlier, Tertullian mentioned that the Father is greater than the Son.  At first thought, that may sound heretical to some people.  But is this true?  What do the Scriptures say?  In John's gospel, Jesus said to His disciples,

The Father is greater than I.  (John 14:28)

Jesus plainly confirms that the Father is greater than He.  If the Father and the Son were the same Person, how could He be greater than Himself?  No, the Father’s authority over the Son demands that they be two Persons.

Now does this mean that Jesus is a lesser God than the Father?  Not at all!  So how is the Father greater than the Son?  The Father is greater in authority because the Son receives His authority from the Father.

Jesus replied, "I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing.  For whatever the Father does, the Son also does these things in the same way….  I have not spoken on My own, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a command as to what I should say and what I should speak."  (John 5:19, 12:49)

Notice that Jesus does not recognize His own authority, but recognizes where His authority comes from: it was given to Him by the Father.

The following Scriptures point out how different the authority of the Son is to the Father.  Paul wrote,

I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God [the Father] is the head of Christ.  (1Cor 11:3)

Then comes the end, when He [Jesus] hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power….  For God has put everything under His feet.  But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He [the Father] who puts everything under Him is the exception.  (1Cor 15:14,27-28)

Being under the authority of His Father and not greater than His Father, the Son learned obedience because He was the Son of God and Son of Man,

He [Jesus] humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death—even to death on a cross.  (Php 2:8)

Though He was God’s Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered.  (Heb 5:8)

When James and John asked Jesus to put them on His right and left in His kingdom, Jesus said,

To sit at My right and left is not Mine to give; instead, it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.  (Matt 20:23)

Jesus says that He does not have this particular authority, but this authority is only with the Father.

Jesus also said about His Second Coming,

Now concerning that day or hour no one knows--neither the angels in heaven nor the Son--except the Father.  (Mark 13:32)

Jesus told His disciples that there is at least one thing He does not know; only the Father knows this.  If the Divinity is made up of one Person, how can that person simultaneously know and not know when He will return?

Very interestingly, the Father is referred to as “the God” of the Son, which is quite amazing.  For example, the Father said through a psalm to the Son,

Your throne, God [the Son], is forever and ever, and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.  You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God [the Father], Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than your companions [the angels].  (Heb 1:8-9)

The Father calls the Son God while also saying that He is His God.  Jesus Himself acknowledged this in two other places saying,

I have not yet ascended to the Father.  But go to My brothers and tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father—to My God and your God.  (John 20:17)

I will make him [the victor] a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, and he will never go out again.  I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God—the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God—and My new name.  (Rev 3:12)

FLESH AND BLOOD
Lastly, Tertullian said that when Jesus came to earth, He was made to exist in a secondary position under the Father.  Is that true?  What do the Scriptures say?  This secondary position happened when Jesus was born as a human.  The author of Hebrews wrote,

We do see Jesus—made lower than the angels for a short time….  Now since the children have flesh and blood in common, Jesus also shared in these, so that through His death He might destroy the one holding the power of death—that is, the Devil… and free those who were held in slavery all their lives by the fear of death.  (Heb 2:9a, 14, 17)

So the Son became flesh and blood, a human.  The Father did not and remained above the angels.  That is certainly a difference between the Father and the Son.  In the last video about Monarchianism, there were a few quotes about how the early Christians considered it blasphemy to say that the Father Himself would be born of a virgin and die on the cross.  This was one of their popular arguments against the belief that God is one Person.

Even after His resurrection, Jesus said,

Look at My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself!  Touch Me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have.  (Luke 24:39)

Therefore, we see that Jesus had flesh both before and after His resurrection.

But even at this point, those who believe that the Father and the Son are the same Person might be able to explain how that works.  However, the fact that Jesus is God and became human is much more significant than what many understand.  First, let it be known that Jesus became flesh and blood, a human, lived among us, and people saw Him and His glory.  The apostle John wrote,

The Word became flesh and took up residence among us.  We observed His glory, the glory as the only begotten Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.  (John 1:14)

Yet just three verses later, John write,

No one has ever seen God.  The One and Only Son—the One who is at the Father’s side—He has revealed Him.  (John 1:18)

Now if the Father and the Son are the same person, then how can no one see God while plenty of people saw the Son?  Paul also makes this clear and takes it a step further, writing about the Father,

The only One who has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; no one has seen or can see Him, to Him be honor and eternal might.  (1Tim 6:16)

Paul is clear: when it comes to seeing the Father, no one has seen Him and no one can see Him.  On the other hand, about the Son,

The Word became flesh and took up residence among us.  We observed His glory, the glory as the only begotten Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.  (John 1:14)

In summary, the apostles wrote that God has not been seen nor can He be seen. They also said that the Word became flesh, lived among men, and that people saw His glory.  How can we reconcile what the apostles wrote?  How can we explain the nature of the Divinity when the Father has never been seen and no one can see Him—while the Son became flesh and His glory was seen?  If God is only one Person, then John and Paul contradicted themselves.  But if the Father and the Son are different Persons, then this is the best explanation of the nature of the Divinity and fits perfectly with what John and Paul wrote.  And this explanation that the Divinity is multiple Persons is nothing new; nor did the early Christians invent this.  They explained it just as they learned it from the apostles themselves or from those who knew the apostles.

About the invisibility of God the Father, we will go into more about what the early Christians said about this in a future video.

CONCLUSION
This has been a detailed look at some of the things that the early Christians said about the Persons of God.  In the next videos in this series on the Divinity, we will begin looking specifically at their writings about God the Father.


Blessings and so forth.

Thursday, December 1, 2016

Update - Dec 2016

Divinity Series
I'm happy to say that I released two videos in the last 3 weeks!  Even more exciting is that I plan to release a third video tomorrow!

We're finally getting the videos which is what this channel is all about: what the early Christians believed.  This first series is on the Divinity.  The first three videos will be about the nature of God and the Persons of God.

After that, I have planned for 11 videos on God the Father.  I will probably wait until mid-January to start releasing them.  Because holidays and all.  You know what I mean.

Responses to It
I've had some positive responses to my first two videos on the Divinity.  More than I expected, it brought out a number of critics.  Of course, a couple folks who believe in Monarchianism commented, and I'm very thankful for their willingness to dialogue and discuss this subject.  I expect that my third video will bring a lot of comments.  I want people to comment!

To my surprise, there was one Christian commentor who doesn't believe that Jesus was divine/deity.  I've personally never met anyone who believes this way who claims to be a Christian.  My first thought is: how can someone be a Christian and not believe that Jesus is divine/deity?  It won't be too many months before I release a video on the divinity/deity of Jesus Christ.  I'm excited about this because it is one of the BIGGEST subjects that the early Christians wrote about.  I will probably split this subject into multiple videos.

Prayers Requested
As always, please pray for this ministry and that I find the time and motivation to continue to release videos sooner rather than later.  There is so much information that I will be busy for decades to come.  I don't want to put any of this off.

Blessings and so forth.